Discussion:
End of Dil Dhoondta Hai controversy...hopefully
shashirao
2005-02-23 03:22:47 UTC
Permalink
Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare and has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!

Ok..here's the article:

Gulzar : Dil ki Dastaan
ANURADHA CHOUDHARY


Gulzar on how this haunting song was written
composed and visualised

The lyrics were inspired by one of Ghalib's couplets, Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke raat din. In the couplet, Ghalib dreams about his
beloved and longs for days of leisure. I tried to recreate that feel
and explore the concept of leisure I imagined he was talking about. I
took that one line and developed the idea. And I ended up defining
leisure as it meant to me.
I was extremely lucky to have worked with a stalwart like Madan Mohan
on this tune. Madan Mohan belonged to an era when maestros were
treated like maestros. Such was his reputation that every singer, be
it Lataji or Ashaji, would go to his music room for rehearsals much
before the scheduled recordings.
I've heard Lataji say his notes would keep changing with every
rehearsal; it was, of course, said with a lot of respect. He would
work so creatively on a single tune that he would exhaust all
variations and permutations of notes.
He worked out four tunes for Dil dhoondta hai and finally chose one.
The decision was entirely his own. Yeh nahin ki the director or singer
said they liked it, so he chose it. He would play you any number of
tunes, but he'd decide which was the best. Incidentally, Sanjeev
Kohli, his son, has recently released a CD, which contains all the
four tunes of Dil dhoondta hai.

Lyrics of Dil Dhoondta Hai
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din - (2)
baithe rahe tasavvur-e-jaanaan kiye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Jaadon ki narm dhoop aur aangan mein letkar - (2)
aankhon pe khinchkar tere aanchal ke saaye ko
aundhe pade rahe kabhi karwat liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Ya garmiyon ki raat jo purvaiyaan chalein - (2)
thandi safed chaadaron pe jaageen der tak
taaron ko dekhte rahen chhat par pade hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Barfili sardiyon mein kisi bhi pahaad par - (2)
vaadi mein gunjati hui khamoshiyaan sune
aankhon mein bhige bhige se lamhe liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...

If you're wondering how Jee dhoondta hai became Dil dhoondta hai that,
again, was Madanji's work. When he composed the tune, he changed the
word. I was horrified, how dare anyone take such liberties with
Ghalib? But then Madanji showed me a publication where the couplet had
appeared as Dil dhoondta hai. It wasn't as if he changed the word on
his whim. Madan Mohan knew what he was talking about. Most music
directors those days knew a lot of poetry by heart. So Dil dhoondta
hai it remained.
The song had two versions: one was a duet and the other, a solo. The
duet was a happy tune while the solo, in Bhupinder's voice, was sad
and nostalgic. The solo remains my favourite. Yet, the duet has been
appreciated by a number of connoisseurs. They say it's a difficult
number to sing, that it has a difficult taal. I'm sure they know
better, but me, I love the solo.
The duet was picturised on Sanjeev Kumar and Sharmila Tagore, and I
decided to do so with an overlap of the past and present. So, as
Sanjeev revisits his familiar haunts, his memories of precious moments
with Sharmila play alongside. Each scene had to be filmed twice
because we had to shoot the young and old Sanjeev. So with every shot,
we had to do a make-over on him. We used the masking technique to
picturise the song on screen. It was quite innovative, I thought, and
it was the first time this technique was used. It went on to become
the highlight of the song.
The other memory I have of shooting that song is that of Bosky. She
was just knee-high then and was with me in Pehelgam, Kashmir while we
shot the song. It was fun having her around.
Sometimes when I look back, I really wish we could work with similar
kind of leisure on our songs now. Jee dhoondta hai phir wohi fursat ke
raat din. Kash phir wohi Kashmir ho gaana banane ke liye, gaana likhne
ke liye.
Gulzar spoke to






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Gaurav Sharma
2005-02-23 03:36:04 UTC
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if i m not wrong there is no controversy abt "dil dhoondhta hai" in particular...very clearly pancham, gulzar and asha give credit to madan mohan in "meri sangeet yatra".

the issue is whether some songs were recorded by pancham after mohan's demise.

shashirao <shashi-McdS88+M0qysTnJN9+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:


Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare and has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!

Ok..here's the article:


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the_great_rd
2005-02-23 04:06:13 UTC
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HI Guys,

For me it was over when i listenned very carefully the slow version.
For world it may be MM but for me its Pancham. Cause i have never come
across Bhupi singing for MM. And synthesizers and MM has always
different type of Ragas for slow. If u listen Anpadh and Adalat in
which MM has puored his soul and juiced out the best of music even
Haqeeqat. Execpt Ruke ruke that to has RD,s orchestrization magic in
it. Composing the fast version can also be MM cause it matches his
style but i feel Pancham might have modified.
These are my views.
I recall an interview in DD where lataji mentioning that SD stopped
using her voice and then Pacham used to seet outside his house and do
rehearsals with Lataji. This was a bit long interview but she
mentioned same line recently.
If u look history SD stopped using Lataji's voice and even OP Nayar
never used her voice. One more to add that KA left industry because of
lata and Viju Shah has given many scores under KA name without
claiming same as Pancham did. I recall memory that for Jadugar on
Amitabh's request gave music for that movie. Now Amitabh asks for
Aadesh S.
Pancham has given jabardast songs in all albums we can only think few
numbers which we dont like so my point is not to add great nos to
Pancham list he has n no. of compositions for this earth which can be
never challenged by any mai ka lal. No one in this world can come up
with compositions like OP, SJ , SD and especially all in one PAncham.

Regards
Post by Gaurav Sharma
if i m not wrong there is no controversy abt "dil dhoondhta hai" in
particular...very clearly pancham, gulzar and asha give credit to
madan mohan in "meri sangeet yatra".
Post by Gaurav Sharma
the issue is whether some songs were recorded by pancham after
mohan's demise.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare and has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!
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shashirao
2005-02-23 04:19:53 UTC
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Dear Uttam,

Please re-read your post. I have read it in entireity twice - I still
do not find any conclusive evidency to dispute MM's ownership over
Mausam - except for your gut feeling. Which is an entirely subjective
discussion and an opinion you are entirely entitled to - no disputes
there.

As for Dada and his not using Lata's voice - that is old news. It does
not signify that Pancham composed with Lata for SDB's movies. In fact
the incident that you mention is when Pancham rehearsed with Lata for
Chote Nawab. Since Dada was not speaking with Lata, she felt it unwise
to practise in his house for Pancham. Hence Pancham practised the song
with Lata on the steps of the Jet bunglow. Alternate versions say it
was in a room...not the steps.

And its another matter entirely that Dada listened to their rehearsals
on the sly. And when Lata called out to him, they rushed to make up
their differences.

There are incidents and discussions regarding Pancham's contribution
to Dada's music - in his capacity as Asst MD and arranger. But there
is no dispute about ownership of music. Last I read - Jewel Thief
still credits Dada for its music.

As for KA, Viju Sha and Bachchan - I do not see much reference.

Anyways...let's get back to relishing Pancham's creations credited to
him - there are many which we have not even scratched the surface of.

Loin
Post by the_great_rd
HI Guys,
For me it was over when i listenned very carefully the slow version.
For world it may be MM but for me its Pancham. Cause i have never come
across Bhupi singing for MM. And synthesizers and MM has always
different type of Ragas for slow. If u listen Anpadh and Adalat in
which MM has puored his soul and juiced out the best of music even
Haqeeqat. Execpt Ruke ruke that to has RD,s orchestrization magic in
it. Composing the fast version can also be MM cause it matches his
style but i feel Pancham might have modified.
These are my views.
I recall an interview in DD where lataji mentioning that SD stopped
using her voice and then Pacham used to seet outside his house and do
rehearsals with Lataji. This was a bit long interview but she
mentioned same line recently.
If u look history SD stopped using Lataji's voice and even OP Nayar
never used her voice. One more to add that KA left industry because of
lata and Viju Shah has given many scores under KA name without
claiming same as Pancham did. I recall memory that for Jadugar on
Amitabh's request gave music for that movie. Now Amitabh asks for
Aadesh S.
Pancham has given jabardast songs in all albums we can only think few
numbers which we dont like so my point is not to add great nos to
Pancham list he has n no. of compositions for this earth which can be
never challenged by any mai ka lal. No one in this world can come up
with compositions like OP, SJ , SD and especially all in one PAncham.
Regards
Post by Gaurav Sharma
if i m not wrong there is no controversy abt "dil dhoondhta hai" in
particular...very clearly pancham, gulzar and asha give credit to
madan mohan in "meri sangeet yatra".
Post by Gaurav Sharma
the issue is whether some songs were recorded by pancham after
mohan's demise.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare and has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!
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the_great_rd
2005-02-23 05:50:20 UTC
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Hi Guys,

Ok accepted whatever mentioned but Jewel Thief cannot be only SD
creation. "Baithe hai kya uske paas" anyone can easily distinguish or
can identify who has created. "Raat akeli hai" Ashaji gave interview
mentioning SD asked her to fade out like child shouts in ear in
television but agin she rated that song of Pancham in her top ten best
songs. "Dil pukare" was famous for RD using pahadi instrument as he
was very innovative.
And Aradhana is world known fact.

Friends we listen to Panchams songs so carefully next we also know his
recording diversity and his sound engineering. Dont know how u listen
but for that era kishores voice the echo one and the recording quality
speaks about pancham.
Post by shashirao
Dear Uttam,
Please re-read your post. I have read it in entireity twice - I still
do not find any conclusive evidency to dispute MM's ownership over
Mausam - except for your gut feeling. Which is an entirely subjective
discussion and an opinion you are entirely entitled to - no disputes
there.
As for Dada and his not using Lata's voice - that is old news. It does
not signify that Pancham composed with Lata for SDB's movies. In fact
the incident that you mention is when Pancham rehearsed with Lata for
Chote Nawab. Since Dada was not speaking with Lata, she felt it unwise
to practise in his house for Pancham. Hence Pancham practised the song
with Lata on the steps of the Jet bunglow. Alternate versions say it
was in a room...not the steps.
And its another matter entirely that Dada listened to their rehearsals
on the sly. And when Lata called out to him, they rushed to make up
their differences.
There are incidents and discussions regarding Pancham's contribution
to Dada's music - in his capacity as Asst MD and arranger. But there
is no dispute about ownership of music. Last I read - Jewel Thief
still credits Dada for its music.
As for KA, Viju Sha and Bachchan - I do not see much reference.
Anyways...let's get back to relishing Pancham's creations credited to
him - there are many which we have not even scratched the surface of.
Loin
Post by the_great_rd
HI Guys,
For me it was over when i listenned very carefully the slow version.
For world it may be MM but for me its Pancham. Cause i have never come
across Bhupi singing for MM. And synthesizers and MM has always
different type of Ragas for slow. If u listen Anpadh and Adalat in
which MM has puored his soul and juiced out the best of music even
Haqeeqat. Execpt Ruke ruke that to has RD,s orchestrization magic in
it. Composing the fast version can also be MM cause it matches his
style but i feel Pancham might have modified.
These are my views.
I recall an interview in DD where lataji mentioning that SD stopped
using her voice and then Pacham used to seet outside his house and do
rehearsals with Lataji. This was a bit long interview but she
mentioned same line recently.
If u look history SD stopped using Lataji's voice and even OP Nayar
never used her voice. One more to add that KA left industry because of
lata and Viju Shah has given many scores under KA name without
claiming same as Pancham did. I recall memory that for Jadugar on
Amitabh's request gave music for that movie. Now Amitabh asks for
Aadesh S.
Pancham has given jabardast songs in all albums we can only think few
numbers which we dont like so my point is not to add great nos to
Pancham list he has n no. of compositions for this earth which can be
never challenged by any mai ka lal. No one in this world can come up
with compositions like OP, SJ , SD and especially all in one PAncham.
Regards
Post by Gaurav Sharma
if i m not wrong there is no controversy abt "dil dhoondhta hai" in
particular...very clearly pancham, gulzar and asha give credit to
madan mohan in "meri sangeet yatra".
Post by Gaurav Sharma
the issue is whether some songs were recorded by pancham after
mohan's demise.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare and has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!
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Indra
2005-02-23 04:33:44 UTC
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Post by the_great_rd
HI Guys,
For me it was over when i listenned very carefully the slow version.
For world it may be MM but for me its Pancham. Cause i have never come
across Bhupi singing for MM.
Bhupi actually made his debut in Hindi Films (both as singer and actor) in the Chetan Anand classic Haqeeqat where Madan Modan was the music director. (And what music it had!)

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Indra
2005-02-23 04:34:01 UTC
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Post by the_great_rd
HI Guys,
For me it was over when i listenned very carefully the slow version.
For world it may be MM but for me its Pancham. Cause i have never come
across Bhupi singing for MM.
Bhupi actually made his debut in Hindi Films (both as singer and actor) in the Chetan Anand classic Haqeeqat where Madan Modan was the music director. (And what music it had!)

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Anirudha Bhattacharjee
2005-02-23 05:36:40 UTC
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Yeah Shashi.. this was also posted in RMIM.. I had a
query which I posted there..I am posting it here - The
locale for Mausam was Darjeeling.. Amarnath
Gill(Sanjeev Kumar), a medical student meets Chanda
(Sharmila), daughter of vaid Om Shivpuri in
Darjeeling, and later her daugther Kajri (Sharmila) in
the same town..

Why did Gulzar have to travel to Pehalgham in Kashmir
to shoot Darjeeling? It was 75, so Gorkhaland was
certainly not an issue!

Queringly yours
Anirudha

--- shashirao <shashi-McdS88+M0qysTnJN9+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:


---------------------------------

Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare and
has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re
Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!

Ok..here's the article:

Gulzar : Dil ki Dastaan
ANURADHA CHOUDHARY


Gulzar on how this haunting song was written
composed and visualised

The lyrics were inspired by one of Ghalib's couplets,
Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke raat din. In the couplet, Ghalib
dreams about his
beloved and longs for days of leisure. I tried to
recreate that feel
and explore the concept of leisure I imagined he was
talking about. I
took that one line and developed the idea. And I ended
up defining
leisure as it meant to me.
I was extremely lucky to have worked with a stalwart
like Madan Mohan
on this tune. Madan Mohan belonged to an era when
maestros were
treated like maestros. Such was his reputation that
every singer, be
it Lataji or Ashaji, would go to his music room for
rehearsals much
before the scheduled recordings.
I've heard Lataji say his notes would keep changing
with every
rehearsal; it was, of course, said with a lot of
respect. He would
work so creatively on a single tune that he would
exhaust all
variations and permutations of notes.
He worked out four tunes for Dil dhoondta hai and
finally chose one.
The decision was entirely his own. Yeh nahin ki the
director or singer
said they liked it, so he chose it. He would play you
any number of
tunes, but he'd decide which was the best.
Incidentally, Sanjeev
Kohli, his son, has recently released a CD, which
contains all the
four tunes of Dil dhoondta hai.

Lyrics of Dil Dhoondta Hai
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din - (2)
baithe rahe tasavvur-e-jaanaan kiye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Jaadon ki narm dhoop aur aangan mein letkar - (2)
aankhon pe khinchkar tere aanchal ke saaye ko
aundhe pade rahe kabhi karwat liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Ya garmiyon ki raat jo purvaiyaan chalein - (2)
thandi safed chaadaron pe jaageen der tak
taaron ko dekhte rahen chhat par pade hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Barfili sardiyon mein kisi bhi pahaad par - (2)
vaadi mein gunjati hui khamoshiyaan sune
aankhon mein bhige bhige se lamhe liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...

If you're wondering how Jee dhoondta hai became Dil
dhoondta hai that,
again, was Madanji's work. When he composed the tune,
he changed the
word. I was horrified, how dare anyone take such
liberties with
Ghalib? But then Madanji showed me a publication where
the couplet had
appeared as Dil dhoondta hai. It wasn't as if he
changed the word on
his whim. Madan Mohan knew what he was talking about.
Most music
directors those days knew a lot of poetry by heart. So
Dil dhoondta
hai it remained.
The song had two versions: one was a duet and the
other, a solo. The
duet was a happy tune while the solo, in Bhupinder's
voice, was sad
and nostalgic. The solo remains my favourite. Yet, the
duet has been
appreciated by a number of connoisseurs. They say it's
a difficult
number to sing, that it has a difficult taal. I'm sure
they know
better, but me, I love the solo.
The duet was picturised on Sanjeev Kumar and Sharmila
Tagore, and I
decided to do so with an overlap of the past and
present. So, as
Sanjeev revisits his familiar haunts, his memories of
precious moments
with Sharmila play alongside. Each scene had to be
filmed twice
because we had to shoot the young and old Sanjeev. So
with every shot,
we had to do a make-over on him. We used the masking
technique to
picturise the song on screen. It was quite innovative,
I thought, and
it was the first time this technique was used. It went
on to become
the highlight of the song.
The other memory I have of shooting that song is that
of Bosky. She
was just knee-high then and was with me in Pehelgam,
Kashmir while we
shot the song. It was fun having her around.
Sometimes when I look back, I really wish we could
work with similar
kind of leisure on our songs now. Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke
raat din. Kash phir wohi Kashmir ho gaana banane ke
liye, gaana likhne
ke liye.
Gulzar spoke to






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Pavan Jha
2005-03-18 19:05:00 UTC
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Ani da,

I had checked it with Gulzar saab and he told me that a lot of
Patchwork for Mausam was done in Pehalgaam..


On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:36:40 -0800 (PST), Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Yeah Shashi.. this was also posted in RMIM.. I had a
query which I posted there..I am posting it here - The
locale for Mausam was Darjeeling.. Amarnath
Gill(Sanjeev Kumar), a medical student meets Chanda
(Sharmila), daughter of vaid Om Shivpuri in
Darjeeling, and later her daugther Kajri (Sharmila) in
the same town..
Why did Gulzar have to travel to Pehalgham in Kashmir
to shoot Darjeeling? It was 75, so Gorkhaland was
certainly not an issue!
Queringly yours
Anirudha
---------------------------------
Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare and
has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re
Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!
Gulzar : Dil ki Dastaan
ANURADHA CHOUDHARY
Gulzar on how this haunting song was written
composed and visualised
The lyrics were inspired by one of Ghalib's couplets,
Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke raat din. In the couplet, Ghalib
dreams about his
beloved and longs for days of leisure. I tried to
recreate that feel
and explore the concept of leisure I imagined he was
talking about. I
took that one line and developed the idea. And I ended
up defining
leisure as it meant to me.
I was extremely lucky to have worked with a stalwart
like Madan Mohan
on this tune. Madan Mohan belonged to an era when
maestros were
treated like maestros. Such was his reputation that
every singer, be
it Lataji or Ashaji, would go to his music room for
rehearsals much
before the scheduled recordings.
I've heard Lataji say his notes would keep changing
with every
rehearsal; it was, of course, said with a lot of
respect. He would
work so creatively on a single tune that he would
exhaust all
variations and permutations of notes.
He worked out four tunes for Dil dhoondta hai and
finally chose one.
The decision was entirely his own. Yeh nahin ki the
director or singer
said they liked it, so he chose it. He would play you
any number of
tunes, but he'd decide which was the best.
Incidentally, Sanjeev
Kohli, his son, has recently released a CD, which
contains all the
four tunes of Dil dhoondta hai.
Lyrics of Dil Dhoondta Hai
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din - (2)
baithe rahe tasavvur-e-jaanaan kiye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Jaadon ki narm dhoop aur aangan mein letkar - (2)
aankhon pe khinchkar tere aanchal ke saaye ko
aundhe pade rahe kabhi karwat liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Ya garmiyon ki raat jo purvaiyaan chalein - (2)
thandi safed chaadaron pe jaageen der tak
taaron ko dekhte rahen chhat par pade hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Barfili sardiyon mein kisi bhi pahaad par - (2)
vaadi mein gunjati hui khamoshiyaan sune
aankhon mein bhige bhige se lamhe liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
If you're wondering how Jee dhoondta hai became Dil
dhoondta hai that,
again, was Madanji's work. When he composed the tune,
he changed the
word. I was horrified, how dare anyone take such
liberties with
Ghalib? But then Madanji showed me a publication where
the couplet had
appeared as Dil dhoondta hai. It wasn't as if he
changed the word on
his whim. Madan Mohan knew what he was talking about.
Most music
directors those days knew a lot of poetry by heart. So
Dil dhoondta
hai it remained.
The song had two versions: one was a duet and the
other, a solo. The
duet was a happy tune while the solo, in Bhupinder's
voice, was sad
and nostalgic. The solo remains my favourite. Yet, the
duet has been
appreciated by a number of connoisseurs. They say it's
a difficult
number to sing, that it has a difficult taal. I'm sure
they know
better, but me, I love the solo.
The duet was picturised on Sanjeev Kumar and Sharmila
Tagore, and I
decided to do so with an overlap of the past and
present. So, as
Sanjeev revisits his familiar haunts, his memories of
precious moments
with Sharmila play alongside. Each scene had to be
filmed twice
because we had to shoot the young and old Sanjeev. So
with every shot,
we had to do a make-over on him. We used the masking
technique to
picturise the song on screen. It was quite innovative,
I thought, and
it was the first time this technique was used. It went
on to become
the highlight of the song.
The other memory I have of shooting that song is that
of Bosky. She
was just knee-high then and was with me in Pehelgam,
Kashmir while we
shot the song. It was fun having her around.
Sometimes when I look back, I really wish we could
work with similar
kind of leisure on our songs now. Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke
raat din. Kash phir wohi Kashmir ho gaana banane ke
liye, gaana likhne
ke liye.
Gulzar spoke to
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Anirudha Bhattacharjee
2005-03-20 14:42:33 UTC
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Yes Pavan, I am also surprised.. as the locale was
Darjeeling..did he travel to Darjeeling / or he shot
the entire film in Kashmir.. and why..

I saw Mausam in Class VII.. I was totally moved by the
film.. it remains one of the films closest my heart.

Sorry for the non-Pancham topic.
Anirudha
--- Pavan Jha <sargamkesaathi-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:


---------------------------------
Ani da,

I had checked it with Gulzar saab and he told me that
a lot of
Patchwork for Mausam was done in Pehalgaam..


On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:36:40 -0800 (PST), Anirudha
Bhattacharjee
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Yeah Shashi.. this was also posted in RMIM.. I had a
query which I posted there..I am posting it here -
The
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
locale for Mausam was Darjeeling.. Amarnath
Gill(Sanjeev Kumar), a medical student meets Chanda
(Sharmila), daughter of vaid Om Shivpuri in
Darjeeling, and later her daugther Kajri (Sharmila)
in
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
the same town..
Why did Gulzar have to travel to Pehalgham in
Kashmir
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
to shoot Darjeeling? It was 75, so Gorkhaland was
certainly not an issue!
Queringly yours
Anirudha
---------------------------------
Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare
and
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re
Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!
Gulzar : Dil ki Dastaan
ANURADHA CHOUDHARY
Gulzar on how this haunting song was written
composed and visualised
The lyrics were inspired by one of Ghalib's
couplets,
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke raat din. In the couplet, Ghalib
dreams about his
beloved and longs for days of leisure. I tried to
recreate that feel
and explore the concept of leisure I imagined he was
talking about. I
took that one line and developed the idea. And I
ended
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
up defining
leisure as it meant to me.
I was extremely lucky to have worked with a stalwart
like Madan Mohan
on this tune. Madan Mohan belonged to an era when
maestros were
treated like maestros. Such was his reputation that
every singer, be
it Lataji or Ashaji, would go to his music room for
rehearsals much
before the scheduled recordings.
I've heard Lataji say his notes would keep changing
with every
rehearsal; it was, of course, said with a lot of
respect. He would
work so creatively on a single tune that he would
exhaust all
variations and permutations of notes.
He worked out four tunes for Dil dhoondta hai and
finally chose one.
The decision was entirely his own. Yeh nahin ki the
director or singer
said they liked it, so he chose it. He would play
you
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
any number of
tunes, but he'd decide which was the best.
Incidentally, Sanjeev
Kohli, his son, has recently released a CD, which
contains all the
four tunes of Dil dhoondta hai.
Lyrics of Dil Dhoondta Hai
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din - (2)
baithe rahe tasavvur-e-jaanaan kiye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Jaadon ki narm dhoop aur aangan mein letkar - (2)
aankhon pe khinchkar tere aanchal ke saaye ko
aundhe pade rahe kabhi karwat liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Ya garmiyon ki raat jo purvaiyaan chalein - (2)
thandi safed chaadaron pe jaageen der tak
taaron ko dekhte rahen chhat par pade hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Barfili sardiyon mein kisi bhi pahaad par - (2)
vaadi mein gunjati hui khamoshiyaan sune
aankhon mein bhige bhige se lamhe liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
If you're wondering how Jee dhoondta hai became Dil
dhoondta hai that,
again, was Madanji's work. When he composed the
tune,
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
he changed the
word. I was horrified, how dare anyone take such
liberties with
Ghalib? But then Madanji showed me a publication
where
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
the couplet had
appeared as Dil dhoondta hai. It wasn't as if he
changed the word on
his whim. Madan Mohan knew what he was talking
about.
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Most music
directors those days knew a lot of poetry by heart.
So
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Dil dhoondta
hai it remained.
The song had two versions: one was a duet and the
other, a solo. The
duet was a happy tune while the solo, in Bhupinder's
voice, was sad
and nostalgic. The solo remains my favourite. Yet,
the
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
duet has been
appreciated by a number of connoisseurs. They say
it's
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
a difficult
number to sing, that it has a difficult taal. I'm
sure
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
they know
better, but me, I love the solo.
The duet was picturised on Sanjeev Kumar and
Sharmila
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Tagore, and I
decided to do so with an overlap of the past and
present. So, as
Sanjeev revisits his familiar haunts, his memories
of
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
precious moments
with Sharmila play alongside. Each scene had to be
filmed twice
because we had to shoot the young and old Sanjeev.
So
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
with every shot,
we had to do a make-over on him. We used the masking
technique to
picturise the song on screen. It was quite
innovative,
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
I thought, and
it was the first time this technique was used. It
went
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
on to become
the highlight of the song.
The other memory I have of shooting that song is
that
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
of Bosky. She
was just knee-high then and was with me in Pehelgam,
Kashmir while we
shot the song. It was fun having her around.
Sometimes when I look back, I really wish we could
work with similar
kind of leisure on our songs now. Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke
raat din. Kash phir wohi Kashmir ho gaana banane ke
liye, gaana likhne
ke liye.
Gulzar spoke to
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Dikshit Arya
2005-03-21 07:53:02 UTC
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Ani,

It is not really surprising. As Gulzar saab has told Pavan, a lot
of 'patchwork' was done in Pehalgam. Which means he could have shot
both in Darjeeling and Pehalgam. This may be due to the logistical
conviniences such as making use of the star's dates who happens to
be shooting for other unit in Pehalgam or it could simply be a case
of a particular visual that the director wants which is available in
Pehalgam but not in Darjeeling.

Chingaari koi bhadke from Amar Prem was not entirely shot in
Calcutta. Most of it was shot in the studio.

Raj Kapoor went all the way to Holland for a sequence in PREM ROG
because he wanted a certain look . This is distinct from all other
makers who shoot abroad because of the 'phoren look'.

Dikshit
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Yes Pavan, I am also surprised.. as the locale was
Darjeeling..did he travel to Darjeeling / or he shot
the entire film in Kashmir.. and why..
I saw Mausam in Class VII.. I was totally moved by the
film.. it remains one of the films closest my heart.
Sorry for the non-Pancham topic.
Anirudha
---------------------------------
Ani da,
I had checked it with Gulzar saab and he told me that
a lot of
Patchwork for Mausam was done in Pehalgaam..
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:36:40 -0800 (PST), Anirudha
Bhattacharjee
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Yeah Shashi.. this was also posted in RMIM.. I had a
query which I posted there..I am posting it here -
The
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
locale for Mausam was Darjeeling.. Amarnath
Gill(Sanjeev Kumar), a medical student meets Chanda
(Sharmila), daughter of vaid Om Shivpuri in
Darjeeling, and later her daugther Kajri (Sharmila)
in
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
the same town..
Why did Gulzar have to travel to Pehalgham in
Kashmir
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
to shoot Darjeeling? It was 75, so Gorkhaland was
certainly not an issue!
Queringly yours
Anirudha
---------------------------------
Ok folks...here's something that came in Filmfare
and
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
has quite a few
insights from Gulzar himself. Of course....'Chadi Re
Chadi' still
needs redemption...bah!
Gulzar : Dil ki Dastaan
ANURADHA CHOUDHARY
Gulzar on how this haunting song was written
composed and visualised
The lyrics were inspired by one of Ghalib's
couplets,
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke raat din. In the couplet, Ghalib
dreams about his
beloved and longs for days of leisure. I tried to
recreate that feel
and explore the concept of leisure I imagined he was
talking about. I
took that one line and developed the idea. And I
ended
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
up defining
leisure as it meant to me.
I was extremely lucky to have worked with a stalwart
like Madan Mohan
on this tune. Madan Mohan belonged to an era when
maestros were
treated like maestros. Such was his reputation that
every singer, be
it Lataji or Ashaji, would go to his music room for
rehearsals much
before the scheduled recordings.
I've heard Lataji say his notes would keep changing
with every
rehearsal; it was, of course, said with a lot of
respect. He would
work so creatively on a single tune that he would
exhaust all
variations and permutations of notes.
He worked out four tunes for Dil dhoondta hai and
finally chose one.
The decision was entirely his own. Yeh nahin ki the
director or singer
said they liked it, so he chose it. He would play
you
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
any number of
tunes, but he'd decide which was the best.
Incidentally, Sanjeev
Kohli, his son, has recently released a CD, which
contains all the
four tunes of Dil dhoondta hai.
Lyrics of Dil Dhoondta Hai
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din - (2)
baithe rahe tasavvur-e-jaanaan kiye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Jaadon ki narm dhoop aur aangan mein letkar - (2)
aankhon pe khinchkar tere aanchal ke saaye ko
aundhe pade rahe kabhi karwat liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Ya garmiyon ki raat jo purvaiyaan chalein - (2)
thandi safed chaadaron pe jaageen der tak
taaron ko dekhte rahen chhat par pade hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
Barfili sardiyon mein kisi bhi pahaad par - (2)
vaadi mein gunjati hui khamoshiyaan sune
aankhon mein bhige bhige se lamhe liye hue
Dil dhoondta hai phir wahi fursat ke raat din...
If you're wondering how Jee dhoondta hai became Dil
dhoondta hai that,
again, was Madanji's work. When he composed the
tune,
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
he changed the
word. I was horrified, how dare anyone take such
liberties with
Ghalib? But then Madanji showed me a publication
where
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
the couplet had
appeared as Dil dhoondta hai. It wasn't as if he
changed the word on
his whim. Madan Mohan knew what he was talking
about.
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Most music
directors those days knew a lot of poetry by heart.
So
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Dil dhoondta
hai it remained.
The song had two versions: one was a duet and the
other, a solo. The
duet was a happy tune while the solo, in Bhupinder's
voice, was sad
and nostalgic. The solo remains my favourite. Yet,
the
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
duet has been
appreciated by a number of connoisseurs. They say
it's
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
a difficult
number to sing, that it has a difficult taal. I'm
sure
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
they know
better, but me, I love the solo.
The duet was picturised on Sanjeev Kumar and
Sharmila
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
Tagore, and I
decided to do so with an overlap of the past and
present. So, as
Sanjeev revisits his familiar haunts, his memories
of
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
precious moments
with Sharmila play alongside. Each scene had to be
filmed twice
because we had to shoot the young and old Sanjeev.
So
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
with every shot,
we had to do a make-over on him. We used the masking
technique to
picturise the song on screen. It was quite
innovative,
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
I thought, and
it was the first time this technique was used. It
went
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
on to become
the highlight of the song.
The other memory I have of shooting that song is
that
Post by Anirudha Bhattacharjee
of Bosky. She
was just knee-high then and was with me in Pehelgam,
Kashmir while we
shot the song. It was fun having her around.
Sometimes when I look back, I really wish we could
work with similar
kind of leisure on our songs now. Jee dhoondta hai
phir wohi fursat ke
raat din. Kash phir wohi Kashmir ho gaana banane ke
liye, gaana likhne
ke liye.
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