Discussion:
Subhash Ghai - Taking Public for a Ride
Gaurav Sharma
2005-05-10 16:17:49 UTC
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This man who says he wanted to bring professionalism in the film industry and has an innocent version ready for the fact that he was responsible for Pancham's first heart attack, is again seen making a fool of people.

Visit this link on his website:
http://www.subhashghai.com/factans.html
he says for the Karz Theme "The signature tune on the Guitar is still one of the most haunted tunes ever composed in the history of Indian Cinema".

Now visit this link:
http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-lp.html
and listen to the original version of the same Karz Theme!!!!!!

The page is full of more egotist talk and false information. Check out what he says about "My Name is Lakhan" song:

"The Chart Buster song "My name is Lakhan" was recorded with only 72 Rhythm Instruments and no Vocal or String Instrument was used in its composition."

Now the rythm pattern for this song was prepared by none other than Pancham himself in 1983 for Romance found in "O My God" song in the interlude before the third stanza!!

One more thing about his "professionalism". Subhash Ghai didnt even have the courtesy of calling Pancham to inform him about the change in music directors for Ram Lakhan when he replaced Pancham with LP. Pancham was hurt and felt extremely bad because he had never ever been treated like this before.

He also suffered a stroke as a result of this incident. (information courtesy: The Times of India)

I know we may have discussed Ghai before but the Karz Theme Trivia led me to write all this.

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sur_2001
2005-05-10 16:25:21 UTC
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Thanks Gaurav for the link.
What this so called "flop showman" has done 2 panchamda he himself
is getting the results now.....where does he stand now in bollywood?
how long will some1 encash from his past so called laurels?
God is great.
js
Post by Gaurav Sharma
This man who says he wanted to bring professionalism in the film
industry and has an innocent version ready for the fact that he was
responsible for Pancham's first heart attack, is again seen making a
fool of people.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.subhashghai.com/factans.html
he says for the Karz Theme "The signature tune on the Guitar is
still one of the most haunted tunes ever composed in the history of
Indian Cinema".
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-lp.html
and listen to the original version of the same Karz Theme!!!!!!
The page is full of more egotist talk and false information. Check
"The Chart Buster song "My name is Lakhan" was recorded with only
72 Rhythm Instruments and no Vocal or String Instrument was used in
its composition."
Post by Gaurav Sharma
Now the rythm pattern for this song was prepared by none other
than Pancham himself in 1983 for Romance found in "O My God" song in
the interlude before the third stanza!!
Post by Gaurav Sharma
One more thing about his "professionalism". Subhash Ghai didnt
even have the courtesy of calling Pancham to inform him about the
change in music directors for Ram Lakhan when he replaced Pancham
with LP. Pancham was hurt and felt extremely bad because he had
never ever been treated like this before.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
He also suffered a stroke as a result of this incident.
(information courtesy: The Times of India)
Post by Gaurav Sharma
I know we may have discussed Ghai before but the Karz Theme Trivia led me to write all this.
regards
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Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla
2005-05-10 17:52:27 UTC
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well, this is hardly an issue.for me, it never really made any difference to me if pancham scored for subhash ghai or not..infact i am glad he didnt..bcoz i never really felt that subhash ghai is a good film-maker.

what are the laurels of subhash ghai? he made films which had Mass appeal..thats is no laurel..anyone can do that..i really cant understand why he is called as "showman"..the word showman has a meaning which describes opulence..magnum opus and all... i agree,partially, if some yash chopra is called so(though i dont subscribe to his kind of films)..and there are many other directors who made good commercial films..
technically, he is/was no great..i mean..comparing with other directors(like a ramesh sippy or someone)..
coming to music in ghai's films..its no great..except for a couple of songs in Hero, none are really good..probably do dil mil rahe hai is just one exception (the single best composition in their life by nadeem shravan..)..and ghai, inspite of taking a.r.rahman for his next ventures, couldnt extract any mindblowing music(like how few other directors take from this composer)..but just passable tunes...compared to other works by rahman..

Ram Lakhan isnt any great film too..that the absence of pancham makes any difference..even if he scored music, it could have been no great..probably..it wud have had best music in ghai's films..but defnly not the best of pancham..so why care!!!

ofcourse, it was unethical of him to replace pancham without even informing him..(frankly speaking..pancham shouldnt have taken this seriously....coz he was already on a higher plane than ghai) he shouldnt have done that.

but these so called laurels are trash... if they are laurels..what do you call the works of directors like maniratnam or govind nihlani? c'mon guys..he is no showman...its all hype he floats around...infact, we neednt give importance to him at all..as he is just another director in india...take it easy guys...think of it..even if we guys have to extract music from a composer..i believe we can get better music..than him..

infact, veteran south indian director, K.Vishwanath, who made classics like saagarasangamam etc..,. had to budge in to distributor-pressure and took LP instead of Pancham(his original choice) for one of his films based on classical music. i feel bad abt that..and feel the absence of his music there... not in some tom dick harry films..

just shared my personal opinion.
aakarsh.

PS: i dont know if i can quote other composers in this group..if i have violated any rule, i am sorry..i just wanted to cite an example about ghai extracting music from his composers..

sur_2001 <sur_2001-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Thanks Gaurav for the link.
What this so called "flop showman" has done 2 panchamda he himself
is getting the results now.....where does he stand now in bollywood?
how long will some1 encash from his past so called laurels?
God is great.
js
Post by Gaurav Sharma
This man who says he wanted to bring professionalism in the film
industry and has an innocent version ready for the fact that he was
responsible for Pancham's first heart attack, is again seen making a
fool of people.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.subhashghai.com/factans.html
he says for the Karz Theme "The signature tune on the Guitar is
still one of the most haunted tunes ever composed in the history of
Indian Cinema".
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-lp.html
and listen to the original version of the same Karz Theme!!!!!!
The page is full of more egotist talk and false information. Check
"The Chart Buster song "My name is Lakhan" was recorded with only
72 Rhythm Instruments and no Vocal or String Instrument was used in
its composition."
Post by Gaurav Sharma
Now the rythm pattern for this song was prepared by none other
than Pancham himself in 1983 for Romance found in "O My God" song in
the interlude before the third stanza!!
Post by Gaurav Sharma
One more thing about his "professionalism". Subhash Ghai didnt
even have the courtesy of calling Pancham to inform him about the
change in music directors for Ram Lakhan when he replaced Pancham
with LP. Pancham was hurt and felt extremely bad because he had
never ever been treated like this before.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
He also suffered a stroke as a result of this incident.
(information courtesy: The Times of India)
Post by Gaurav Sharma
I know we may have discussed Ghai before but the Karz Theme Trivia led me to write all this.
regards
Gaurav Sharma
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Govind Maindargikar
2005-05-11 05:18:16 UTC
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Hi guys,


First of all we will all agree that, subhash ghai (so called showman) is not a show man. We all know his commercial success in last few years release. We can accept V. Shantaram/Raj Kapoor as a showman who have always tried to give society some social issue handled in the films effectively. If you watch most of these directors have attended a serious social issues and these directors were always one step ahead in getting excellent music composed by any music directors they work, and that is the reason, person like v shantaram has worked with great Vasant Desai, C. Ramchandra, Ramlal. The directors who has got clear vision about its music in the film, can get the work extracted from anyone.

Now, we know, subhash ghai has been making futile excercise of changing music director because he himself does not know what kind of music can be extracted from. He has hired a r rahman (all we know how best he is except some numbers), further he has even hired ismail darbar,but result is zero.

Friends, one who has inborn talent, it will automatically comes out, but one who always pretend to be talented, in days to come times proves its ability.

I had never liked subhash ghai's film making, as it is always with impractical things shown on the screen, no music sence, baseless and unbelievable stories is the film making subhash ghai. I personally feel, why is scared of declaring and creating hype that he is showman.

As far as panchamda's association with him, i must say, panchamda should not have taken loss of ram lakhan to L.P. in very serious manner. As today we all know, where does ram lakhan music stands. That is the reason many people says that, every artist should have capacity of digesting failure in life. Every individual will have to go thru this phase. But in panchamda's case in 1983 he was on very high profile and should not have bothered if he had to loose ram lakhan.


Anyway, there is lot we can talk about people like subhash ghai, but our forum is panchamda's forum to discuss/share his work, his creative ideas, his music. And I am sure, we will discuss his work and his enjoy his compositions.



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Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla <aakarsh_vk-/***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
well, this is hardly an issue.for me, it never really made any difference to me if pancham scored for subhash ghai or not..infact i am glad he didnt..bcoz i never really felt that subhash ghai is a good film-maker.

what are the laurels of subhash ghai? he made films which had Mass appeal..thats is no laurel..anyone can do that..i really cant understand why he is called as "showman"..the word showman has a meaning which describes opulence..magnum opus and all... i agree,partially, if some yash chopra is called so(though i dont subscribe to his kind of films)..and there are many other directors who made good commercial films..
technically, he is/was no great..i mean..comparing with other directors(like a ramesh sippy or someone)..
coming to music in ghai's films..its no great..except for a couple of songs in Hero, none are really good..probably do dil mil rahe hai is just one exception (the single best composition in their life by nadeem shravan..)..and ghai, inspite of taking a.r.rahman for his next ventures, couldnt extract any mindblowing music(like how few other directors take from this composer)..but just passable tunes...compared to other works by rahman..

Ram Lakhan isnt any great film too..that the absence of pancham makes any difference..even if he scored music, it could have been no great..probably..it wud have had best music in ghai's films..but defnly not the best of pancham..so why care!!!

ofcourse, it was unethical of him to replace pancham without even informing him..(frankly speaking..pancham shouldnt have taken this seriously....coz he was already on a higher plane than ghai) he shouldnt have done that.

but these so called laurels are trash... if they are laurels..what do you call the works of directors like maniratnam or govind nihlani? c'mon guys..he is no showman...its all hype he floats around...infact, we neednt give importance to him at all..as he is just another director in india...take it easy guys...think of it..even if we guys have to extract music from a composer..i believe we can get better music..than him..

infact, veteran south indian director, K.Vishwanath, who made classics like saagarasangamam etc..,. had to budge in to distributor-pressure and took LP instead of Pancham(his original choice) for one of his films based on classical music. i feel bad abt that..and feel the absence of his music there... not in some tom dick harry films..

just shared my personal opinion.
aakarsh.

PS: i dont know if i can quote other composers in this group..if i have violated any rule, i am sorry..i just wanted to cite an example about ghai extracting music from his composers..

sur_2001 wrote:
Thanks Gaurav for the link.
What this so called "flop showman" has done 2 panchamda he himself
is getting the results now.....where does he stand now in bollywood?
how long will some1 encash from his past so called laurels?
God is great.
js
Post by Gaurav Sharma
This man who says he wanted to bring professionalism in the film
industry and has an innocent version ready for the fact that he was
responsible for Pancham's first heart attack, is again seen making a
fool of people.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.subhashghai.com/factans.html
he says for the Karz Theme "The signature tune on the Guitar is
still one of the most haunted tunes ever composed in the history of
Indian Cinema".
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-lp.html
and listen to the original version of the same Karz Theme!!!!!!
The page is full of more egotist talk and false information. Check
"The Chart Buster song "My name is Lakhan" was recorded with only
72 Rhythm Instruments and no Vocal or String Instrument was used in
its composition."
Post by Gaurav Sharma
Now the rythm pattern for this song was prepared by none other
than Pancham himself in 1983 for Romance found in "O My God" song in
the interlude before the third stanza!!
Post by Gaurav Sharma
One more thing about his "professionalism". Subhash Ghai didnt
even have the courtesy of calling Pancham to inform him about the
change in music directors for Ram Lakhan when he replaced Pancham
with LP. Pancham was hurt and felt extremely bad because he had
never ever been treated like this before.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
He also suffered a stroke as a result of this incident.
(information courtesy: The Times of India)
Post by Gaurav Sharma
I know we may have discussed Ghai before but the Karz Theme Trivia led me to write all this.
regards
Gaurav Sharma
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Arnab Acharya
2005-05-11 09:02:04 UTC
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Hm. Most of what I knew have been said. I'll only add:
1.Ghai claimed to sit with his Music Director and 'choose'/suggest
tunes! (Sic!)
2.he spend a crore for the publicity of one of his movies (Hero?!.

Arnab
Post by Govind Maindargikar
Hi guys,
First of all we will all agree that, subhash ghai (so called
showman) is not a show man. We all know his commercial success in
last few years release. We can accept V. Shantaram/Raj Kapoor as a
showman who have always tried to give society some social issue
handled in the films effectively. If you watch most of these
directors have attended a serious social issues and these directors
were always one step ahead in getting excellent music composed by any
music directors they work, and that is the reason, person like v
shantaram has worked with great Vasant Desai, C. Ramchandra, Ramlal.
The directors who has got clear vision about its music in the film,
can get the work extracted from anyone.
Post by Govind Maindargikar
Now, we know, subhash ghai has been making futile excercise of
changing music director because he himself does not know what kind of
music can be extracted from. He has hired a r rahman (all we know how
best he is except some numbers), further he has even hired ismail
darbar,but result is zero.
Post by Govind Maindargikar
Friends, one who has inborn talent, it will automatically comes
out, but one who always pretend to be talented, in days to come times
proves its ability.
Post by Govind Maindargikar
I had never liked subhash ghai's film making, as it is always with
impractical things shown on the screen, no music sence, baseless and
unbelievable stories is the film making subhash ghai. I personally
feel, why is scared of declaring and creating hype that he is showman.
Post by Govind Maindargikar
As far as panchamda's association with him, i must say, panchamda
should not have taken loss of ram lakhan to L.P. in very serious
manner. As today we all know, where does ram lakhan music stands.
That is the reason many people says that, every artist should have
capacity of digesting failure in life. Every individual will have to
go thru this phase. But in panchamda's case in 1983 he was on very
high profile and should not have bothered if he had to loose ram
lakhan.
Post by Govind Maindargikar
Anyway, there is lot we can talk about people like subhash ghai,
but our forum is panchamda's forum to discuss/share his work, his
creative ideas, his music. And I am sure, we will discuss his work
and his enjoy his compositions.
Post by Govind Maindargikar
Govind (Thane)
09323242505
09324544596
well, this is hardly an issue.for me, it never really made any
difference to me if pancham scored for subhash ghai or not..infact i
am glad he didnt..bcoz i never really felt that subhash ghai is a
good film-maker.
Post by Govind Maindargikar
what are the laurels of subhash ghai? he made films which had Mass
appeal..thats is no laurel..anyone can do that..i really cant
understand why he is called as "showman"..the word showman has a
meaning which describes opulence..magnum opus and all... i
agree,partially, if some yash chopra is called so(though i dont
subscribe to his kind of films)..and there are many other directors
who made good commercial films..
Post by Govind Maindargikar
technically, he is/was no great..i mean..comparing with other
directors(like a ramesh sippy or someone)..
Post by Govind Maindargikar
coming to music in ghai's films..its no great..except for a couple
of songs in Hero, none are really good..probably do dil mil rahe hai
is just one exception (the single best composition in their life by
nadeem shravan..)..and ghai, inspite of taking a.r.rahman for his
next ventures, couldnt extract any mindblowing music(like how few
other directors take from this composer)..but just passable
tunes...compared to other works by rahman..
Post by Govind Maindargikar
Ram Lakhan isnt any great film too..that the absence of pancham
makes any difference..even if he scored music, it could have been no
great..probably..it wud have had best music in ghai's films..but
defnly not the best of pancham..so why care!!!
Post by Govind Maindargikar
ofcourse, it was unethical of him to replace pancham without even
informing him..(frankly speaking..pancham shouldnt have taken this
seriously....coz he was already on a higher plane than ghai) he
shouldnt have done that.
Post by Govind Maindargikar
but these so called laurels are trash... if they are laurels..what
do you call the works of directors like maniratnam or govind nihlani?
c'mon guys..he is no showman...its all hype he floats
around...infact, we neednt give importance to him at all..as he is
just another director in india...take it easy guys...think of
it..even if we guys have to extract music from a composer..i believe
we can get better music..than him..
Post by Govind Maindargikar
infact, veteran south indian director, K.Vishwanath, who made
classics like saagarasangamam etc..,. had to budge in to distributor-
pressure and took LP instead of Pancham(his original choice) for one
of his films based on classical music. i feel bad abt that..and feel
the absence of his music there... not in some tom dick harry films..
Post by Govind Maindargikar
just shared my personal opinion.
aakarsh.
PS: i dont know if i can quote other composers in this group..if i
have violated any rule, i am sorry..i just wanted to cite an example
about ghai extracting music from his composers..
Post by Govind Maindargikar
Thanks Gaurav for the link.
What this so called "flop showman" has done 2 panchamda he himself
is getting the results now.....where does he stand now in bollywood?
how long will some1 encash from his past so called laurels?
God is great.
js
Post by Gaurav Sharma
This man who says he wanted to bring professionalism in the film
industry and has an innocent version ready for the fact that he was
responsible for Pancham's first heart attack, is again seen making a
fool of people.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.subhashghai.com/factans.html
he says for the Karz Theme "The signature tune on the Guitar is
still one of the most haunted tunes ever composed in the history of
Indian Cinema".
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-lp.html
and listen to the original version of the same Karz Theme!!!!!!
The page is full of more egotist talk and false information.
Check
Post by Govind Maindargikar
Post by Gaurav Sharma
"The Chart Buster song "My name is Lakhan" was recorded with only
72 Rhythm Instruments and no Vocal or String Instrument was used in
its composition."
Post by Gaurav Sharma
Now the rythm pattern for this song was prepared by none other
than Pancham himself in 1983 for Romance found in "O My God" song in
the interlude before the third stanza!!
Post by Gaurav Sharma
One more thing about his "professionalism". Subhash Ghai didnt
even have the courtesy of calling Pancham to inform him about the
change in music directors for Ram Lakhan when he replaced Pancham
with LP. Pancham was hurt and felt extremely bad because he had
never ever been treated like this before.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
He also suffered a stroke as a result of this incident.
(information courtesy: The Times of India)
Post by Gaurav Sharma
I know we may have discussed Ghai before but the Karz Theme
Trivia
Post by Govind Maindargikar
led me to write all this.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
regards
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Upendra Jugoolkar
2005-05-11 05:26:19 UTC
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Hi!
you stole my words really.I feel the same when it
comes to Subhash Ghai, he never was a showman. I never
liked any of his venture, I could say J.P.Dutta can be
entitled as Showman as far as showmanship is
concerned.I feel bad when our Pancham took them
seriously,frankly subhash ghai is not calibre what
Pancham had associated with filmmakers like Ramesh
Sippy,Ramesh Bahel,Hrishikesh mukherjee,Vijay
Anand,Nasir hussian,Ravi Tondon,Rahul Rawail {later in
80s}and GULZAR. But I wouls say its our unfortunate
that we lost Pancham. Lets hope someone from us would
recreate Pancham magic again .

Upendra

= = = Original message = = =

well, this is hardly an issue.for me, it never really
made any difference to me if pancham scored for
subhash ghai or not..infact i am glad he didnt..bcoz i
never really felt that subhash ghai is a good
film-maker.

what are the laurels of subhash ghai? he made films
which had Mass appeal..thats is no laurel..anyone can
do that..i really cant understand why he is called as
"showman"..the word showman has a meaning which
describes opulence..magnum opus and all... i
agree,partially, if some yash chopra is called
so(though i dont subscribe to his kind of films)..and
there are many other directors who made good
commercial films..
technically, he is/was no great..i mean..comparing
with other directors(like a ramesh sippy or someone)..
coming to music in ghai's films..its no great..except
for a couple of songs in Hero, none are really
good..probably do dil mil rahe hai is just one
exception (the single best composition in their life
by nadeem shravan..)..and ghai, inspite of taking
a.r.rahman for his next ventures, couldnt extract any
mindblowing music(like how few other directors take
from this composer)..but just passable
tunes...compared to other works by rahman..

Ram Lakhan isnt any great film too..that the absence
of pancham makes any difference..even if he scored
music, it could have been no great..probably..it wud
have had best music in ghai's films..but defnly not
the best of pancham..so why care!!!

ofcourse, it was unethical of him to replace pancham
without even informing him..(frankly speaking..pancham
shouldnt have taken this seriously....coz he was
already on a higher plane than ghai) he shouldnt have
done that.

but these so called laurels are trash... if they are
laurels..what do you call the works of directors like
maniratnam or govind nihlani? c'mon guys..he is no
showman...its all hype he floats around...infact, we
neednt give importance to him at all..as he is just
another director in india...take it easy guys...think
of it..even if we guys have to extract music from a
composer..i believe we can get better music..than
him..

infact, veteran south indian director, K.Vishwanath,
who made classics like saagarasangamam etc..,. had to
budge in to distributor-pressure and took LP instead
of Pancham(his original choice) for one of his films
based on classical music. i feel bad abt that..and
feel the absence of his music there... not in some tom
dick harry films..

just shared my personal opinion.
aakarsh.

PS: i dont know if i can quote other composers in this
group..if i have violated any rule, i am sorry..i just
wanted to cite an example about ghai extracting music
from his composers..

sur_2001 <sur_2001-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Thanks Gaurav for the link.
What this so called "flop showman" has done 2
panchamda he himself
is getting the results now.....where does he stand now
in bollywood?
how long will some1 encash from his past so called
laurels?
God is great.
js
Post by Gaurav Sharma
This man who says he wanted to bring professionalism
in the film
industry and has an innocent version ready for the
fact that he was
responsible for Pancham's first heart attack, is again
seen making a
fool of people.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.subhashghai.com/factans.html
he says for the Karz Theme "The signature tune on
the Guitar is
still one of the most haunted tunes ever composed in
the history of
Indian Cinema".
Post by Gaurav Sharma
http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-lp.html
and listen to the original version of the same Karz
Theme!!!!!!
Post by Gaurav Sharma
The page is full of more egotist talk and false
information. Check
Post by Gaurav Sharma
"The Chart Buster song "My name is Lakhan" was
recorded with only
72 Rhythm Instruments and no Vocal or String
Instrument was used in
its composition."
Post by Gaurav Sharma
Now the rythm pattern for this song was prepared by
none other
than Pancham himself in 1983 for Romance found in "O
My God" song in
the interlude before the third stanza!!
Post by Gaurav Sharma
One more thing about his "professionalism". Subhash
Ghai didnt
even have the courtesy of calling Pancham to inform
him about the
change in music directors for Ram Lakhan when he
replaced Pancham
with LP. Pancham was hurt and felt extremely bad
because he had
never ever been treated like this before.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
He also suffered a stroke as a result of this
incident.
(information courtesy: The Times of India)
Post by Gaurav Sharma
I know we may have discussed Ghai before but the
Karz Theme Trivia
led me to write all this.
Post by Gaurav Sharma
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