Injustice to Gujus - Is any Gujrati song composed

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the_great_rd

2005-01-27 03:51:43 UTC

Greetings To all Fans,

Tuesday evening as usual i was listening to RD's collection when "Palo
latke song started". Just being wondering that RD has composed Bengali
tunes, even for South and Rajasthani above mentioned song. But i
havent listened to any of his Gujrati compositions. Do u guys know any
filmi album or non filmi album which has loRDs gujrati composition.

Regards,

Uttam Maru

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Meghal Pandya

2005-01-27 04:16:45 UTC

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Refer to archives. Perhaps I posted a similar question

Meghal

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Subject: [Pancham] Injustice to Gujus - Is any Gujrati song composed
Greetings To all Fans,
Tuesday evening as usual i was listening to RD's collection
when "Palo latke song started". Just being wondering that RD
has composed Bengali tunes, even for South and Rajasthani
above mentioned song. But i havent listened to any of his
Gujrati compositions. Do u guys know any filmi album or non
filmi album which has loRDs gujrati composition.
Regards,
Uttam Maru
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K M

2005-01-31 11:07:43 UTC

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hello meghal

i have heard a gujju song "jawani ni kahu chu ke pachee wali ja" . I do not know the film or the composer of the song. This is quite a old song. But we have heard a similar song from the BOSS in the movie Burning training " pal do pal ka saath hamara" . The tune is very similar to this gujju song i am talking about.

May be you or the group knows who the composer of this gujju song is?? it might me BOSS or was he inspired????

keyur

Meghal Pandya <meghal-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Refer to archives. Perhaps I posted a similar question

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Meghal Pandya

2005-01-31 14:18:41 UTC

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Hi Keyur

The exact words are "Kahoon Choon Jawani Ne Pachhi
Wali Ja" sung by Rafi.

By all chances, the composer must be Avinash Vyas or
Purushottam Upadhyay.

I am not much knowledgable about raags, but you are
right, both the songs seem to be based on same raags

Meghal

Post by K M
hello meghal
i have heard a gujju song "jawani ni kahu chu ke
pachee wali ja" . I do not know the film or the
composer of the song. This is quite a old song. But
we have heard a similar song from the BOSS in the
movie Burning training " pal do pal ka saath hamara"
. The tune is very similar to this gujju song i am
talking about.
May be you or the group knows who the composer of
this gujju song is?? it might me BOSS or was he
inspired????
keyur

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the_great_rd

2005-02-01 03:31:59 UTC

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Hi Friends,

The song from Burning Train is more like Qawali setup. Hey u know guys
i met one chat friend from Gujrat she is also hardcore Pancham fan. I
asked her, as Ashaji has sung lot of guju songs is there any by chance
Album by Boss, she said no. I think @ that time there was no movie
having dandia / Garba or nor any family drama representing Guju
family, these could be the reason why Boss didnt get chance of
thinking to come up with guju composition.

Regards

Uttam

Post by Meghal Pandya
Hi Keyur
The exact words are "Kahoon Choon Jawani Ne Pachhi
Wali Ja" sung by Rafi.
By all chances, the composer must be Avinash Vyas or
Purushottam Upadhyay.
I am not much knowledgable about raags, but you are
right, both the songs seem to be based on same raags
Meghal

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Meghal Pandya

2005-02-01 04:00:42 UTC

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First of all, it is gujarati songs, not guju song. Guju is kind of slang
or insulting word, atleast for non-Bombayites Gujaratis

Second, I do not understand the logic behind Pancham not composing for
Gujarati movies. Garba/Dandiya Raas had always been an integral part of
any Gujarati movie (fortunately or unfortunately). Also, Pancham's
career spanned from 1961 to 1994 (correct me if I am wrong), so which
time span are you talking about? If you are talking about the time
Burning Train was released, there must be number of Gujarati movies
released during that year.

Also, the song "Kahun Choon Jawani Ne" is older than "The Burning Train"

Asha Bhosle sang gujarati songs (filmi and non-filmi) mainly under the
baton of Avinash Vyas, Kalyanji Anandji, Dilip Dholakiya and maybe
Kshemu Divetiya.

Perhaps more experienced members like Ketan or Nandan can shed more
light on this

Meghal

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, 31 January, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: [Pancham] Re: Injustice to Gujus - Is any Gujrati
song composed
Hi Friends,
The song from Burning Train is more like Qawali setup. Hey u
know guys i met one chat friend from Gujrat she is also
hardcore Pancham fan. I asked her, as Ashaji has sung lot of
guju songs is there any by chance Album by Boss, she said no.
or nor any family drama representing Guju family, these could
be the reason why Boss didnt get chance of thinking to come
up with guju composition.
Regards
Uttam

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ankush9

2005-02-07 12:25:48 UTC

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Hi Meghal

I do not think RD did this on purpose of not creating any song based
on gujrathi tune. However he was close to it with pallo latake which
is more of marwad song.
Now if anyone finding similarity in that gujrathi song and Pal do pal
ka saath hamara (which is a quavali) is purely because of the RAGA
used in the song. Its based on KEDAR and many songs would sound
simillar. For example : Pal do pal ka mukhada and Hum ko man ki shakti
dena from guddi (mukhada) very similar na?

Still we will get some song which has gujrathi influence. Let me find
out. Anyway Your views Meghal on this subject?

Ankush

Post by Meghal Pandya
First of all, it is gujarati songs, not guju song. Guju is kind of slang
or insulting word, atleast for non-Bombayites Gujaratis
Second, I do not understand the logic behind Pancham not composing for
Gujarati movies. Garba/Dandiya Raas had always been an integral part of
any Gujarati movie (fortunately or unfortunately). Also, Pancham's
career spanned from 1961 to 1994 (correct me if I am wrong), so which
time span are you talking about? If you are talking about the time
Burning Train was released, there must be number of Gujarati movies
released during that year.
Also, the song "Kahun Choon Jawani Ne" is older than "The Burning Train"
Asha Bhosle sang gujarati songs (filmi and non-filmi) mainly under the
baton of Avinash Vyas, Kalyanji Anandji, Dilip Dholakiya and maybe
Kshemu Divetiya.
Perhaps more experienced members like Ketan or Nandan can shed more
light on this
Meghal

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Tamal

2005-02-07 12:38:42 UTC

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Just one thing that I fail to understand ..

Why is the subject called "Injustice ...???

What injustice has been done ?? There are 1000 of
languages in india and every community would then
stand up and say hey this MD has done injustice to our
mother tongue by not composing a tune for us !!!

Can we please change this subject line please ??
let me do it ...

Regards,
Tamal.

Post by ankush9
Hi Meghal
I do not think RD did this on purpose of not
creating any song based
on gujrathi tune. However he was close to it with
pallo latake which
is more of marwad song.
Now if anyone finding similarity in that gujrathi
song and Pal do pal
ka saath hamara (which is a quavali) is purely
because of the RAGA
used in the song. Its based on KEDAR and many songs
would sound
simillar. For example : Pal do pal ka mukhada and
Hum ko man ki shakti
dena from guddi (mukhada) very similar na?
Still we will get some song which has gujrathi
influence. Let me find
out. Anyway Your views Meghal on this subject?
Ankush

Post by Meghal Pandya
First of all, it is gujarati songs, not guju song.

Guju is kind of
slang

Post by Meghal Pandya
or insulting word, atleast for non-Bombayites

Gujaratis

Post by Meghal Pandya
Second, I do not understand the logic behind

Pancham not composing
for

Post by Meghal Pandya
Gujarati movies. Garba/Dandiya Raas had always

been an integral part
of

Post by Meghal Pandya
any Gujarati movie (fortunately or unfortunately).

Also, Pancham's

Post by Meghal Pandya
career spanned from 1961 to 1994 (correct me if I

am wrong), so
which

Post by Meghal Pandya
time span are you talking about? If you are

talking about the time

Post by Meghal Pandya
Burning Train was released, there must be number

of Gujarati movies

Post by Meghal Pandya
released during that year.
Also, the song "Kahun Choon Jawani Ne" is older

than "The Burning
Train"

Post by Meghal Pandya
Asha Bhosle sang gujarati songs (filmi and

non-filmi) mainly under
the

Post by Meghal Pandya
baton of Avinash Vyas, Kalyanji Anandji, Dilip

Dholakiya and maybe

Post by Meghal Pandya
Kshemu Divetiya.
Perhaps more experienced members like Ketan or

Nandan can shed more

Post by Meghal Pandya
light on this
Meghal

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, 31 January, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: [Pancham] Re: Injustice to Gujus - Is

any Gujrati

Post by Meghal Pandya

song composed
Hi Friends,
The song from Burning Train is more like Qawali

setup. Hey u

Post by Meghal Pandya

know guys i met one chat friend from Gujrat she

is also

Post by Meghal Pandya

hardcore Pancham fan. I asked her, as Ashaji has

sung lot of

Post by Meghal Pandya

guju songs is there any by chance Album by Boss,

she said no.
dandia / Garba

Post by Meghal Pandya

or nor any family drama representing Guju

family, these could

Post by Meghal Pandya

be the reason why Boss didnt get chance of

thinking to come

Post by Meghal Pandya

up with guju composition.
Regards
Uttam

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Ashok Sharma

2005-02-08 04:15:23 UTC

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Isn't Bheema's song 'Maanenge Na Teri Manmani' (one
of my all time favs) a dandiya type of song?

Ashok

Post by ankush9
Hi Meghal
I do not think RD did this on purpose of not creating any song
based
on gujrathi tune. However he was close to it with pallo latake
which
is more of marwad song.
Now if anyone finding similarity in that gujrathi song and Pal do pal
ka saath hamara (which is a quavali) is purely because of the RAGA
used in the song. Its based on KEDAR and many songs would sound
simillar. For example : Pal do pal ka mukhada and Hum ko man ki shakti
dena from guddi (mukhada) very similar na?
Still we will get some song which has gujrathi influence. Let me find
out. Anyway Your views Meghal on this subject?
Ankush

Post by Meghal Pandya
First of all, it is gujarati songs, not guju song. Guju is kind

of
slang

Post by Meghal Pandya
or insulting word, atleast for non-Bombayites Gujaratis
Second, I do not understand the logic behind Pancham not

composing
for

Post by Meghal Pandya
Gujarati movies. Garba/Dandiya Raas had always been an integral

part
of

Post by Meghal Pandya
any Gujarati movie (fortunately or unfortunately). Also,

Pancham's

Post by Meghal Pandya
career spanned from 1961 to 1994 (correct me if I am wrong), so

which

Post by Meghal Pandya
time span are you talking about? If you are talking about the

time

Post by Meghal Pandya
Burning Train was released, there must be number of Gujarati

movies

Post by Meghal Pandya
released during that year.
Also, the song "Kahun Choon Jawani Ne" is older than "The Burning

Train"

Post by Meghal Pandya
Asha Bhosle sang gujarati songs (filmi and non-filmi) mainly

under
the

Post by Meghal Pandya
baton of Avinash Vyas, Kalyanji Anandji, Dilip Dholakiya and

maybe

Post by Meghal Pandya
Kshemu Divetiya.
Perhaps more experienced members like Ketan or Nandan can shed

Post by Meghal Pandya
light on this
Meghal

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Niketan

2005-02-01 05:21:54 UTC

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There was Saraswati Chandra- in 1970 or 71 with a Gujarati setting.
It had a very good music score by KA.

Post by the_great_rd
Hi Friends,
The song from Burning Train is more like Qawali setup. Hey u know guys
i met one chat friend from Gujrat she is also hardcore Pancham fan. I
asked her, as Ashaji has sung lot of guju songs is there any by chance
having dandia / Garba or nor any family drama representing Guju
family, these could be the reason why Boss didnt get chance of
thinking to come up with guju composition.
Regards
Uttam

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